Okay, so James Franco is a HORRIBLE actor. He should have gone goblin and died in the second movie, or died at the beginning of this one, because every scene after that with him was PAINFUL. "How is your pie, sir?" "Soooo good."
Something about Kirsten Dunst was missing, too. Maybe it was the fact that she had to bounce off of Franco during any of her vital scenes.
Other than that, it was pretty good. Sandman was a bit underused, but they wanted to include really long sequences of Harry being an ass. Longer, usually, than the scenes with Peter. Topher Grace's performance was overshadowed and nullified by James Franco sucking so damn hard.
Instead of the feeling I got from Spider-Man 2, I feel like this movie suffered because of its actors. The dialog in these movies has never been good, to be sure, but the actors always pulled it off well. This time- I dunno, everything could have been handled better. The jazz club scene will probably go down as one of the strangest pieces of Raimi's career, but I liked it. But everyone else in the theater was laughing hysterically.
The fact that Harry died is okay. He died in the comics. Venom and the symbiote dying- fuck that, and fuck Sandman NOT dying. I hope this is the last Spiderman movie. It was good, but it had so many bad parts.
Word. I just thought they made Harry soap opera evil. Besides that, though, I felt everything was okay. I just wish it was like 45 minutes longer. I think that would have sorted everything out better. Venom was handled great for the 15 minutes he was there, the Sandman was awesome, he was just sort of on the side by the end, Gwen Stacy was about as perfect as I've seen a comic book character adapted, but again, underused. I've heard a lot of people comparing it to X3, which is incredibly unfair. This movie kept the same tone, and the new characters felt right out of the comics, not like that dumbass Juggernaut thing or the fuckin Omega Muties from X3. Gawd that movie was pile of shit. Every time I think about it next to Spider-Man 3 it makes me like SM a lot more. I guess this will go down as the Jedi of the series. We'll still like it alot because its a good Spider-Man movie, but it'll still have those Ewoks in it that irritate the shit out of us.
I think that there was something missing here as a whole. I think I might be too inclined to view Spiderman as an underdog sort of hero. But in this movie he was not at all that - which is the point of the black costume, I suppose, but for some reason it bothered me to see him so popular. It reminded me of Ghostbusters 2. Yikes. However, that's just a personal preference, and I have a few other issues with the film.
While Thomas Hayden Church portrayed the Sandman sympathetically, I felt he was far too underdeveloped. Such is the problem with movies with so many villains. He was kind of an afterthought by the end. There is a delicate balance to be found between developing the hero and the villains, and so far, I don't think any superhero movie with more than 1 villain has achieved it. Save for Batman Begins.
I thought James Franco was hilarious. I'm not sure if that was the desired effect of his performance, though. He did a good job as a sleazebag, and so did Topher Grace. His performance was spot-on douchebag. He was okay as Venom. I think changing his voice would've made the character more intimidating.
I don't know how I feel about the ending of this movie. Killing Venom and the symbiote sort of disappointed me, but at the same time, if this was to be the last in the series, they couldn't just leave Venom running amuck. Since they never really established the other aspects of him outside of wanting to kill Spiderman, it would not have made sense to leave so dangerous a villain alive. They could do that with Sandman because his death would completely negate Peter Parker forgiving him. As for Harry's death, it was to be expected.
I really did like this movie, though, and I think it ends the series still on a high note. Another Spiderman movie will probably be crap, if they decide to make one. This could've been better, but it also could've been Batman Forever or God forbid Batman and Robin. Keep that in mind.
Also, I heartily agree with Mr. Green in saying this is the Jedi of the series. I think that's probably the best comparison that can be made with this movie.
You know, I was just thinking about it, and though James Franco came off as silly most of the time, I do really like the idea of Harry being quasi-behind-the-scenes mastermind of making Peter go apeshit and put the black costume back on. That seems a pitch perfect relation to the comics. But I agree that Franco's melodramatic acting kinda marred that aspect.
I also want to note that a lot of reviews have bitched about all the silly coincidences throughout the movie, like the particle melter thing, and the asteroid landing right next to Peter, the church sequence, and Eddie Brock jumping out of the cab just in time to snap pics of Peter, but on the whole most of that stuff was right out of the comics. I can't see any other way of getting the symbiote on Peter, and the particle melter thing was waaayyyy better than having him on a beach when a nuclear bomb goes off. All of the rest was directly from the comics, though. Almost to a T. So, I really don't understand those complaints, especially when they come from fanboys. And once again, I'm just happy that the characters were all treated with some sort of respect and came off so cool for most of their scenes. I can't wait to watch all three in a row whilst pissing on my X3, DareDevil, and Fantastic 4 dvds (even though I liked 2 of those, heh).
I guess I figured that Venom should have had a much more destructive role in the movie. In the comic books, when Spider-man fights Venom, Venom always consumes his life- on a very personal level. Taking the Sandman kill from Pete would have been nice- killing Harry was what I figured would happen. Venom as a symbol of abused power could have been taken so, so much farther. Raimi had to have known this. Anyone who has so much as surveyed the character knows this. Venom running around is fine with me, it would have tied up the movie a little better than the sort of awkward, staccato ending that didn't make too much sense.
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Okay, so James Franco is a HORRIBLE actor. He should have gone goblin and died in the second movie, or died at the beginning of this one, because every scene after that with him was PAINFUL. "How is your pie, sir?" "Soooo good."
Something about Kirsten Dunst was missing, too. Maybe it was the fact that she had to bounce off of Franco during any of her vital scenes.
Other than that, it was pretty good. Sandman was a bit underused, but they wanted to include really long sequences of Harry being an ass. Longer, usually, than the scenes with Peter. Topher Grace's performance was overshadowed and nullified by James Franco sucking so damn hard.
Instead of the feeling I got from Spider-Man 2, I feel like this movie suffered because of its actors. The dialog in these movies has never been good, to be sure, but the actors always pulled it off well. This time- I dunno, everything could have been handled better. The jazz club scene will probably go down as one of the strangest pieces of Raimi's career, but I liked it. But everyone else in the theater was laughing hysterically.
The fact that Harry died is okay. He died in the comics. Venom and the symbiote dying- fuck that, and fuck Sandman NOT dying. I hope this is the last Spiderman movie. It was good, but it had so many bad parts.
Word. I just thought they made Harry soap opera evil. Besides that, though, I felt everything was okay. I just wish it was like 45 minutes longer. I think that would have sorted everything out better. Venom was handled great for the 15 minutes he was there, the Sandman was awesome, he was just sort of on the side by the end, Gwen Stacy was about as perfect as I've seen a comic book character adapted, but again, underused. I've heard a lot of people comparing it to X3, which is incredibly unfair. This movie kept the same tone, and the new characters felt right out of the comics, not like that dumbass Juggernaut thing or the fuckin Omega Muties from X3. Gawd that movie was pile of shit. Every time I think about it next to Spider-Man 3 it makes me like SM a lot more. I guess this will go down as the Jedi of the series. We'll still like it alot because its a good Spider-Man movie, but it'll still have those Ewoks in it that irritate the shit out of us.
I think that there was something missing here as a whole. I think I might be too inclined to view Spiderman as an underdog sort of hero. But in this movie he was not at all that - which is the point of the black costume, I suppose, but for some reason it bothered me to see him so popular. It reminded me of Ghostbusters 2. Yikes. However, that's just a personal preference, and I have a few other issues with the film.
While Thomas Hayden Church portrayed the Sandman sympathetically, I felt he was far too underdeveloped. Such is the problem with movies with so many villains. He was kind of an afterthought by the end. There is a delicate balance to be found between developing the hero and the villains, and so far, I don't think any superhero movie with more than 1 villain has achieved it. Save for Batman Begins.
I thought James Franco was hilarious. I'm not sure if that was the desired effect of his performance, though. He did a good job as a sleazebag, and so did Topher Grace. His performance was spot-on douchebag. He was okay as Venom. I think changing his voice would've made the character more intimidating.
I don't know how I feel about the ending of this movie. Killing Venom and the symbiote sort of disappointed me, but at the same time, if this was to be the last in the series, they couldn't just leave Venom running amuck. Since they never really established the other aspects of him outside of wanting to kill Spiderman, it would not have made sense to leave so dangerous a villain alive. They could do that with Sandman because his death would completely negate Peter Parker forgiving him. As for Harry's death, it was to be expected.
I really did like this movie, though, and I think it ends the series still on a high note. Another Spiderman movie will probably be crap, if they decide to make one. This could've been better, but it also could've been Batman Forever or God forbid Batman and Robin. Keep that in mind.
Also, I heartily agree with Mr. Green in saying this is the Jedi of the series. I think that's probably the best comparison that can be made with this movie.
You know, I was just thinking about it, and though James Franco came off as silly most of the time, I do really like the idea of Harry being quasi-behind-the-scenes mastermind of making Peter go apeshit and put the black costume back on. That seems a pitch perfect relation to the comics. But I agree that Franco's melodramatic acting kinda marred that aspect.
I also want to note that a lot of reviews have bitched about all the silly coincidences throughout the movie, like the particle melter thing, and the asteroid landing right next to Peter, the church sequence, and Eddie Brock jumping out of the cab just in time to snap pics of Peter, but on the whole most of that stuff was right out of the comics. I can't see any other way of getting the symbiote on Peter, and the particle melter thing was waaayyyy better than having him on a beach when a nuclear bomb goes off. All of the rest was directly from the comics, though. Almost to a T. So, I really don't understand those complaints, especially when they come from fanboys. And once again, I'm just happy that the characters were all treated with some sort of respect and came off so cool for most of their scenes. I can't wait to watch all three in a row whilst pissing on my X3, DareDevil, and Fantastic 4 dvds (even though I liked 2 of those, heh).
I guess I figured that Venom should have had a much more destructive role in the movie. In the comic books, when Spider-man fights Venom, Venom always consumes his life- on a very personal level. Taking the Sandman kill from Pete would have been nice- killing Harry was what I figured would happen. Venom as a symbol of abused power could have been taken so, so much farther. Raimi had to have known this. Anyone who has so much as surveyed the character knows this. Venom running around is fine with me, it would have tied up the movie a little better than the sort of awkward, staccato ending that didn't make too much sense.
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